Dave Rubin’s sit-down with Piers Morgan isn’t just another clever podcast — it’s a window into the panic the elites feel when confronted with the consequences of their open-border fantasies. On the Nov. 15, 2025 episode Rubin laid out blunt arguments about immigration, assimilation, and law-and-order that will make every sensible conservative nod in agreement.
Rubin didn’t mince words: he argued Britain needs tougher, Trump-style pressure on neighbors like France, even floating the idea of tariffs as leverage to stop illegal crossings, and he stressed the necessity of true assimilation rather than endless multicultural indulgence. Those are the kinds of practical, results-oriented proposals the political class refuses to consider because virtue-signalling is easier than governance.
This is not a hypothetical problem — the small-boat crisis has been relentless and it has real consequences for public services, policing, and social cohesion. Parliamentary records and government statistics show the crossings have surged in recent years and ministers are scrambling for solutions while frontline communities drown in the fallout.
Rubin also warned about parallel institutions that hollow out one law for all, pointing at Sharia councils that operate outside robust state oversight and can create separate rules for different communities. This isn’t fearmongering — serious reporting and policy reviews have raised the alarm about how these informal tribunals can undermine equality before the law if left unchecked.
Yet the interview took a strange turn when Rubin dismissed Tommy Robinson as a “fraudster,” a charge echoed by many on the mainstream left and center-left press given Robinson’s criminal record. Make no mistake: Robinson has a well-documented history of convictions and controversies, and conservatives shouldn’t sanctify every loudmouthed critic of the establishment. But neither should we reflexively hand the media’s dismissal of him as the final verdict without listening to the real issues he raised about grooming gangs and failed prosecutions.
Here’s the hypocrisy worth calling out: Rubin is right to demand border security, deterrence, and assimilation, but he undermines his own credibility by trashing street-level figures who exposed real problems simply because they’re messy or inconvenient. Conservatives must be pragmatic — we can condemn bad behavior while defending the right to call attention to failures that elites bury.
The conservative answer is straightforward and unapologetic: secure the borders, enforce deportations, cut the incentives that fuel the smuggling industry, and insist on a common civic culture that prioritizes British institutions and the rule of law. If economic pressure like tariffs is what it takes to make France stop facilitating crossings, then nothing should be off the table — the safety of neighborhoods and the integrity of public services comes first.
Patriots in Britain and across the West should take Rubin’s hard truths and go further: hold politicians accountable, demand real enforcement rather than platitudes, and refuse to accept two-tier societies where one law governs the elites and another governs everyone else. The stakes are too high for caution or cowardice — hardworking citizens deserve a nation that protects its borders, its values, and its future.
